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		<title>By: Bill Day Follw-Up &#124; Matt Bors</title>
		<link>http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2013/01/17/why-does-plagiarism-in-editorial-cartooning-persist/#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Day Follw-Up &#124; Matt Bors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] PostRob Tornoe has an article in Editor and Publisher today on the Bill Day controversy I wrote about last week. I wanted to address a specific defense I&#8217;ve heard from colleagues that is summed up by [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Grim Darkflame</title>
		<link>http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2013/01/17/why-does-plagiarism-in-editorial-cartooning-persist/#comment-3806</link>
		<dc:creator>Grim Darkflame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Bill, I&#039;m a guy from a dull pit of a town in the south-east of England, and thanks to the internet, I see a lot of US politics, but from the outside. I&#039;m someone who is just familiar enough with the culture to recognise things that are going on, but not immersed enough that I see these things in the same normalised way (And I imagine Americans and Australians see our system in the same almost-familiar way). So I see political battles over things like taxing the rich, universal healthcare, or access to guns, and the absurd left/right battles that push these issues further and further, right up until the moment things snap, and in the meantime do everything possible to crush any chance of compromise and actual debate. And none of it makes any sense to me.

So, Bors is the only American cartoonist I really follow, for a number of reasons. He has a nice, clean art style, is good at producing clear, thoughtful images, and builds humorous situations out of insane situations (The flat-top gun-nut dude is always brilliant, from &quot;Lattes = Freedom&quot; to &quot;Does everyone feel safe? I feel safe!&quot;). But more importantly, he doesn&#039;t just follow his side and parrot ideas that make no sense, or are fundamentally horrible and bigoted, like Lester, Ramirez, and the other awful cartoonists that people on the internet have introduced me to.

He draws things that he has opinions about, and draws them in a way that makes it clear he&#039;s put some thought into them, rather than just throwing a grotesque caricature over someone he doesn&#039;t like and calling it a paycheck. I&#039;m not against caricatures, even monstrous ones; see the British cartoonists Steve Bell or Martin Rowson, both of which have very bizzare art styles, and draw real people in distorted ways that have grown over time. They don&#039;t use labels to tell their stories, they use caricatures and imagery that have actual meaning, not just ugliness slapped beneath a &quot;This person is bad&quot; label. That&#039;s how it should be done. You shouldn&#039;t be able to just draw someone who &quot;isn&#039;t really Sandra Fluke, honest&quot; as fat and ugly just because you want to call them fat and ugly.

So as an outsider who struggles to grasp parts of American culture, such as its fascination with guns and military, its veneration of the rich and vilification of the poor, and the selective worship of The Constituion, and to a lesser degree The Bible... Bors&#039; cartoons are a relieving sign that there is some sanity amongst a medium seemingly flooded with bile and blind rage.



We don&#039;t like Bors because he&#039;s a whiny bitch. It&#039;s because he whines in a thoughtful, intelligent, humourous way, about things that we think need to be whined about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill, I&#8217;m a guy from a dull pit of a town in the south-east of England, and thanks to the internet, I see a lot of US politics, but from the outside. I&#8217;m someone who is just familiar enough with the culture to recognise things that are going on, but not immersed enough that I see these things in the same normalised way (And I imagine Americans and Australians see our system in the same almost-familiar way). So I see political battles over things like taxing the rich, universal healthcare, or access to guns, and the absurd left/right battles that push these issues further and further, right up until the moment things snap, and in the meantime do everything possible to crush any chance of compromise and actual debate. And none of it makes any sense to me.</p>
<p>So, Bors is the only American cartoonist I really follow, for a number of reasons. He has a nice, clean art style, is good at producing clear, thoughtful images, and builds humorous situations out of insane situations (The flat-top gun-nut dude is always brilliant, from &#8220;Lattes = Freedom&#8221; to &#8220;Does everyone feel safe? I feel safe!&#8221;). But more importantly, he doesn&#8217;t just follow his side and parrot ideas that make no sense, or are fundamentally horrible and bigoted, like Lester, Ramirez, and the other awful cartoonists that people on the internet have introduced me to.</p>
<p>He draws things that he has opinions about, and draws them in a way that makes it clear he&#8217;s put some thought into them, rather than just throwing a grotesque caricature over someone he doesn&#8217;t like and calling it a paycheck. I&#8217;m not against caricatures, even monstrous ones; see the British cartoonists Steve Bell or Martin Rowson, both of which have very bizzare art styles, and draw real people in distorted ways that have grown over time. They don&#8217;t use labels to tell their stories, they use caricatures and imagery that have actual meaning, not just ugliness slapped beneath a &#8220;This person is bad&#8221; label. That&#8217;s how it should be done. You shouldn&#8217;t be able to just draw someone who &#8220;isn&#8217;t really Sandra Fluke, honest&#8221; as fat and ugly just because you want to call them fat and ugly.</p>
<p>So as an outsider who struggles to grasp parts of American culture, such as its fascination with guns and military, its veneration of the rich and vilification of the poor, and the selective worship of The Constituion, and to a lesser degree The Bible&#8230; Bors&#8217; cartoons are a relieving sign that there is some sanity amongst a medium seemingly flooded with bile and blind rage.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t like Bors because he&#8217;s a whiny bitch. It&#8217;s because he whines in a thoughtful, intelligent, humourous way, about things that we think need to be whined about.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty Rohde</title>
		<link>http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2013/01/17/why-does-plagiarism-in-editorial-cartooning-persist/#comment-3804</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They weren&#039;t stubborn enough to keep going.  Fans of the Bad Cartoonist are like some strange secret cult.  We await the return of our bitter angry, god, but our prays are not answered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They weren&#8217;t stubborn enough to keep going.  Fans of the Bad Cartoonist are like some strange secret cult.  We await the return of our bitter angry, god, but our prays are not answered.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty Rohde</title>
		<link>http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2013/01/17/why-does-plagiarism-in-editorial-cartooning-persist/#comment-3803</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no reputation as a cartoonist whatsoever but here&#039;s my two cents.  

Having worked as a caricature artist in theme parks for several years, I have known artist who have made livings for themselves for decades drawing only one face.  That&#039;s right.  You can draw the same face over a 100,000 times and as long as you give each face a different haircut, make sure you give them the right eye color, skin tone, and hair color people will keep lining up and getting a drawing done.  Even though it their drawing looks just like the person who got theirs right before them.  The general public isn&#039;t much for critical judgement.  It&#039;s just one drawing and the know nothing about art.

The point is an individual can make a living creating crap, but if everyone in the industry is making crap the audience will lose interest over time.  This is where editorial cartooning has shot itself in the foot.

So what&#039;s my point?    Plagiarizing someone else&#039;s work, and getting paid for it, is a breach
 of professional integrity.  You learn by copying others, you are paid 
to develop your own work.  Self plagiarization is more corrosive.  There&#039;s nothing unethical about plagiarizing your own work.  Its lazy, sloppy, shows you lack interest in your profession, but there&#039;s no real wrong doing per se.  Your audience will eventually catch on to your bland repetitiveness even though they won&#039;t catalog your transgressions. 

Its the culture of sameness perpetuated by syndicates, newspaper editors, and lazy self-plagiarizing cartoonists that destroyed the industry as it stood.  Jeff McNally type editorial cartoons were fresh and interesting in the 1970s.  That was 40 years ago.

40 years of sameness killed the market.  

There are a growing number of cartoonist making a living online and none of their work conforms to the traditional standards of the nearly dead professional printed industry.  Editorial cartoonists are struggling much harder to make a go of it online because: 
A)The vast majority of them draw in a similar fashion, use a similar format, and write similar gags.
B) There&#039;s a lack of interest in editorial cartoons as a whole.  If you talk to someone under thirty when they think of editorial cartoons they talk about the artist in the guy in the Onion who satirizes blowhard conservative editorial cartoonists.  Think for a moment... one of the most well known artists in the profession is someone who parodies the art form.

People love political content, people love political humor, but political cartoons?  The tuned out long ago because the work has been such crap for so long.  Rebuilding that interest will take time.  Good luck aspiring editorial cartoonists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no reputation as a cartoonist whatsoever but here&#8217;s my two cents.  </p>
<p>Having worked as a caricature artist in theme parks for several years, I have known artist who have made livings for themselves for decades drawing only one face.  That&#8217;s right.  You can draw the same face over a 100,000 times and as long as you give each face a different haircut, make sure you give them the right eye color, skin tone, and hair color people will keep lining up and getting a drawing done.  Even though it their drawing looks just like the person who got theirs right before them.  The general public isn&#8217;t much for critical judgement.  It&#8217;s just one drawing and the know nothing about art.</p>
<p>The point is an individual can make a living creating crap, but if everyone in the industry is making crap the audience will lose interest over time.  This is where editorial cartooning has shot itself in the foot.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s my point?    Plagiarizing someone else&#8217;s work, and getting paid for it, is a breach<br />
 of professional integrity.  You learn by copying others, you are paid<br />
to develop your own work.  Self plagiarization is more corrosive.  There&#8217;s nothing unethical about plagiarizing your own work.  Its lazy, sloppy, shows you lack interest in your profession, but there&#8217;s no real wrong doing per se.  Your audience will eventually catch on to your bland repetitiveness even though they won&#8217;t catalog your transgressions. </p>
<p>Its the culture of sameness perpetuated by syndicates, newspaper editors, and lazy self-plagiarizing cartoonists that destroyed the industry as it stood.  Jeff McNally type editorial cartoons were fresh and interesting in the 1970s.  That was 40 years ago.</p>
<p>40 years of sameness killed the market.  </p>
<p>There are a growing number of cartoonist making a living online and none of their work conforms to the traditional standards of the nearly dead professional printed industry.  Editorial cartoonists are struggling much harder to make a go of it online because:<br />
A)The vast majority of them draw in a similar fashion, use a similar format, and write similar gags.<br />
B) There&#8217;s a lack of interest in editorial cartoons as a whole.  If you talk to someone under thirty when they think of editorial cartoons they talk about the artist in the guy in the Onion who satirizes blowhard conservative editorial cartoonists.  Think for a moment&#8230; one of the most well known artists in the profession is someone who parodies the art form.</p>
<p>People love political content, people love political humor, but political cartoons?  The tuned out long ago because the work has been such crap for so long.  Rebuilding that interest will take time.  Good luck aspiring editorial cartoonists.</p>
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		<title>By: cekman</title>
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		<dc:creator>cekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, thank you for posting this.  When I was young, I was inspired by Doug Marlette&#039;s account of how he came up with cartoon ideas - &quot;we wrestle and grapple until I force it, like Jacob&#039;s angel in the Old Testament, to bless me.  I can&#039;t go home until I pin the son of a bitch.  And I do this every day.&quot;  Then, in the 2000s, I started seeing his work regularly and realized how often he was recycling old cartoons.  (I can&#039;t find an archive of his work now, but if you google his name, the second result is self-plagiarized - it&#039;s a cartoon about Dubya and Alberto Gonzales that used to be about Reagan and Ed Meese.)  I felt like he&#039;d betrayed his own credo, and though I felt stupid for getting upset over it, it still bothers me.  Thank you for insisting on a higher standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, thank you for posting this.  When I was young, I was inspired by Doug Marlette&#8217;s account of how he came up with cartoon ideas &#8211; &#8220;we wrestle and grapple until I force it, like Jacob&#8217;s angel in the Old Testament, to bless me.  I can&#8217;t go home until I pin the son of a bitch.  And I do this every day.&#8221;  Then, in the 2000s, I started seeing his work regularly and realized how often he was recycling old cartoons.  (I can&#8217;t find an archive of his work now, but if you google his name, the second result is self-plagiarized &#8211; it&#8217;s a cartoon about Dubya and Alberto Gonzales that used to be about Reagan and Ed Meese.)  I felt like he&#8217;d betrayed his own credo, and though I felt stupid for getting upset over it, it still bothers me.  Thank you for insisting on a higher standard.</p>
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		<title>By: sensorsweep</title>
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		<dc:creator>sensorsweep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[matt
i didn&#039;t really get what you were showing with the last images until i realized it was TWO different artists and not the same one reusing a template year(s) later.

is there a non-billday level of self-reproduction that is ok? 

like, say you really nail santorum&#039;s sweater vest and want to copy&#039;n&#039;paste it a couple times but draw his lying weasel face new each time?

i can&#039;t really draw, so i can&#039;t compare. 

for all i know, you derive extreme happiness from each time you get to recreate each sweater vest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt<br />
i didn&#8217;t really get what you were showing with the last images until i realized it was TWO different artists and not the same one reusing a template year(s) later.</p>
<p>is there a non-billday level of self-reproduction that is ok? </p>
<p>like, say you really nail santorum&#8217;s sweater vest and want to copy&#8217;n'paste it a couple times but draw his lying weasel face new each time?</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t really draw, so i can&#8217;t compare. </p>
<p>for all i know, you derive extreme happiness from each time you get to recreate each sweater vest.</p>
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		<title>By: sensorsweep</title>
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		<dc:creator>sensorsweep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A plagiarized cartoon in a major publication is BETTER than a RallBors original. Why? The fucking marketplace SAYS SO!&quot;

BETTER is subjective. i&#039;ll give it to you as POPULAR.

the marketplace constantly picks huge stinkers.

and you speak as if there is an actual equal choice between comparable options.. 

can you go to the news-stand and be able to decide on 2 different newspapers that have similar articles, coverage, journalistic integrity, etc, etc, but one of the major differences is that paper A has non-hack cartoonists employed while paper B has hacks?


a handful of people in charge decide what they think will sell and they run with it..

you go to the news-stand and can: 

1. purchase the (probably only remaining) local paper  that the editors/publishers believe will sell the most by dumbing down anything they can. 
i.e. their front page only shows the inane (local school children jump through sprinklers, area middle-aged man shovels snow, go local high school sports team!) 

or 2. grab the (probably only remaining) free alt-weekly that might have a cartoon that might be the same as the above, or not so &quot;hacky&quot;.. i have no idea. 



this isn&#039;t coke vs. pepsi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A plagiarized cartoon in a major publication is BETTER than a RallBors original. Why? The fucking marketplace SAYS SO!&#8221;</p>
<p>BETTER is subjective. i&#8217;ll give it to you as POPULAR.</p>
<p>the marketplace constantly picks huge stinkers.</p>
<p>and you speak as if there is an actual equal choice between comparable options.. </p>
<p>can you go to the news-stand and be able to decide on 2 different newspapers that have similar articles, coverage, journalistic integrity, etc, etc, but one of the major differences is that paper A has non-hack cartoonists employed while paper B has hacks?</p>
<p>a handful of people in charge decide what they think will sell and they run with it..</p>
<p>you go to the news-stand and can: </p>
<p>1. purchase the (probably only remaining) local paper  that the editors/publishers believe will sell the most by dumbing down anything they can.<br />
i.e. their front page only shows the inane (local school children jump through sprinklers, area middle-aged man shovels snow, go local high school sports team!) </p>
<p>or 2. grab the (probably only remaining) free alt-weekly that might have a cartoon that might be the same as the above, or not so &#8220;hacky&#8221;.. i have no idea. </p>
<p>this isn&#8217;t coke vs. pepsi.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Haynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cagle self-plagiarizes constantly, so it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if this didn&#039;t bug him all that much. It&#039;s important to call it out when it happens, though, so thanks for keeping up with this kind of thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cagle self-plagiarizes constantly, so it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if this didn&#8217;t bug him all that much. It&#8217;s important to call it out when it happens, though, so thanks for keeping up with this kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Mach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had to notice that &quot;That Cartoon Critic&quot; does not like Mr. Fish&#039;s technique. To me, it&#039;s always kind of obivious that Mr. Fish uses images rather verbatim, and I was never under the impression that Mr. Fish hides that. It&#039;s his shtick, remixing stereotypical images of our culture – the actual images, that is – his cartoons are kind of a crossover between collage and cartoon – with some being more like a collage, some more like a cartoon. 

While I am not a cartoon critic, this was kind of clear to me that Mr. Fish does that. But &quot;That Cartoon Critic&quot; seems to be shocked to find that out. Now one may or may not like what Mr. Fish does, but picking out this or that example and yelling &quot;This is what Mr. Fish does!&quot; elicits a &quot;Yeah doh, captain obvious.&quot; reaction from me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to notice that &#8220;That Cartoon Critic&#8221; does not like Mr. Fish&#8217;s technique. To me, it&#8217;s always kind of obivious that Mr. Fish uses images rather verbatim, and I was never under the impression that Mr. Fish hides that. It&#8217;s his shtick, remixing stereotypical images of our culture – the actual images, that is – his cartoons are kind of a crossover between collage and cartoon – with some being more like a collage, some more like a cartoon. </p>
<p>While I am not a cartoon critic, this was kind of clear to me that Mr. Fish does that. But &#8220;That Cartoon Critic&#8221; seems to be shocked to find that out. Now one may or may not like what Mr. Fish does, but picking out this or that example and yelling &#8220;This is what Mr. Fish does!&#8221; elicits a &#8220;Yeah doh, captain obvious.&#8221; reaction from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hands</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m saying it&#039;s not hackery, I&#039;m just saying it&#039;s not plagiarism. There is a difference. Occasional hackery is part of the daily grind of editorial cartooning. Even the best cartoonist aren&#039;t brilliant every day. Plagiarism is really serious, and the cartoonists out there who let other cartoonist do the heavy lifting or crafting concepts should suffer the shame of being labeled a plagiarist. Plagiarism should be a career-ending, award stripping offense. Drawing a face the way McNelly did is not such an offense. It&#039;s just being lazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m saying it&#8217;s not hackery, I&#8217;m just saying it&#8217;s not plagiarism. There is a difference. Occasional hackery is part of the daily grind of editorial cartooning. Even the best cartoonist aren&#8217;t brilliant every day. Plagiarism is really serious, and the cartoonists out there who let other cartoonist do the heavy lifting or crafting concepts should suffer the shame of being labeled a plagiarist. Plagiarism should be a career-ending, award stripping offense. Drawing a face the way McNelly did is not such an offense. It&#8217;s just being lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why Bad Cartoonist was a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why Bad Cartoonist was a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Fleishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Fleishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no drawing ability, but I&#039;m confused by these blatant ripoffs, as they each have modifications of some sort. If it were scanned and manipulated on a computer, I understand the streamlining of plagiarism. But isn&#039;t this more like stealing character models? And why bother?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no drawing ability, but I&#8217;m confused by these blatant ripoffs, as they each have modifications of some sort. If it were scanned and manipulated on a computer, I understand the streamlining of plagiarism. But isn&#8217;t this more like stealing character models? And why bother?</p>
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